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Assomption, MIVB/STIB Series 9000 N°. 9005
  Assomption MIVB/STIB Series 9000 N°. 9005  —  ligne 5
The identity of the author is not noted on the photo, original photo from my personal collection.

Posté par focus1965 · Anvers           Date: octobre 1984

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Publiée 11.02.2021 13:07 UTC
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Assomption, MIVB/STIB Series 9000 N°. 9005

Opérateur/Dépôt:Administración del Transporte Eléctrico
Depuis...:1982
Modèle:MIVB/STIB Series 9000
Construit:1960
État actuel:Retiré (11.1997)
Service:Régulier
Remarques:1982 ex Bruxelles - Brussel, 9005

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Commentaires · 9

11.02.2021 13:08 UTC
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Ymtram · East Haven - Branford
Photos: 20025 · Modérateur de photos de sources tiers / Vérificateur de photo / Rédacteur général / Rédacteur de nouvelles / Traduction d'interface (EN)
Many thanks for covering this unique system with today's photo series upload. A rare treat.
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11.02.2021 21:36 UTC
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focus1965 · Anvers
Photos: 8510 · Administrateur Délégué / Traduction d'interface (EN/FR)
As always: with pleasure.
Due to its location, the tram company has rarely been visited.
Only 2 foreign groups have visited this tram company: Thomas Fischer in 1995 and a group of Brussels tram enthusiasts.
Their photos were once quite easy to find in the Brussels tram museum, but now the subject is so outdated and forgotten that this will no longer be the case.
At least, some of these photos are now visible to the general public.
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12.02.2021 10:09 UTC
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Palal · Tachkent
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Wow! single-truck PCCs!
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12.02.2021 20:09 UTC
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focus1965 · Anvers
Photos: 8510 · Administrateur Délégué / Traduction d'interface (EN/FR)
A monkey with a costume remains a monkey.
These were old two-axle trams that were simply given a new body.
The body was indeed based on the Brussels P.C.C. 7000 prototype of 1952.
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/348629/#n404159
However, the trams never satisfied: they were not only technically outdated, but also far too small and could not carry a trailer.
This model also had only 16 seats! The Tram Museum has preserved 2 trams from this series, but they are also difficult to use due to their limited capacity.
These trams are therefore only used for a tram parade or for journeys for tram enthusiasts.
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13.02.2021 19:37 UTC
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Palal · Tachkent
Photos: 2493
Super interesting, thanks. Do you have a photo of how these trams looked before the new body was put into place?
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13.02.2021 20:23 UTC
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focus1965 · Anvers
Photos: 8510 · Administrateur Délégué / Traduction d'interface (EN/FR)
The original Brussels standard trams were rebuilt according to different schemes.
Trams have been preserved both from the originals (which also underwent minor modernisations over the years) and from all the conversions.
These were the original trams:
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/234411/
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/234410/
There have also been experiments with a small series (1500), which could not carry trailers. This is also a conversion of original standard trams.
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/234405/
A similar series that also originated from the same standard trams is the series 1600, which was able to carry trailers.
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/234404/
These conversions were all except modern, so it was decided to design the 9000 series. More than 100 of these have been "built"!
2 still exist in Brussels, but of course at the tram museum.
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/237474/
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/237475/
And in Washington:
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/361493/#n649706
If you think the stock was exhausted, you are wrong.
The 4000 series was also created from 2 standard trams each, resulting in the iconic "room with bath" series. Something like the Gotha G4...
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/119307/
There have been many reasons for these changes, one of which was the suppression of the receivers.
In Belgium, it was not unusual at the time to convert an old tram with a modern look. The whole S series (and variants) of the N.M.V.B./S.N.C.V. is finally based on older vehicles.
Which tram was used exactly - read the numbering - is unfortunately unknown to me. I even think that this is not exactly known.
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14.02.2021 21:54 UTC
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Славик · Hambourg
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Цитата (Palal, 12.02.2021):
> single-truck PCCs

I have had several conversations about this with people who know a thing or two about trams.

According to the actual manufacturers who hold legal rights for the original PCC concept, a tramcar only counts as a PCC if its motors are controlled and activated by the means of the so called accelerator. Body type and other such things do not matter.

This has never been a PCC type tramcar, for as far as I understand, its traction is controlled directly.
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15.02.2021 11:59 UTC
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Palal · Tachkent
Photos: 2493
Цитата (Славик, 14.02.2021):
> This has never been a PCC type tramcar, for as far as I understand, its traction is controlled directly.



What I said was basically a half-joke. Obviously, it's not a PCC. :D
Also, obviously, Brussels did have true PCCs. All the Tatras (T1 through T4) are PCC derivatives :)

At the same time, San Francisco had some PCC lookalikes that were not, in fact PCCs :)
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15.02.2021 21:05 UTC
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focus1965 · Anvers
Photos: 8510 · Administrateur Délégué / Traduction d'interface (EN/FR)
In Europe, only the Bruges tram factory has been licensed to build trams based on P.C.C. technology.
So this also explains the arrival of an American P.C.C. tram to Belgium in 1947.
https://transphoto.org/vehicle/514640/#n663240
Brussels has ordered around 300 of them, in different types and sizes. The first was delivered in 1958, the last in 1978. For the meantime, old trams were modernised, which could indeed be withdrawn when the last (articulated) p.c.c.'s were delivered.
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